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  • jthomas
    05-29 05:39 PM
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  • p_aluri
    12-14 03:41 PM
    I would say this is not going to work for us!

    There is country quota for each and every country excluding USA..

    if we argue that there is no quota for countries belongs to ROW,The government can agrue that spill over has happened from under subscribed countries(Below 7% country limit) to over subscribed countries(above 7% country limit) within in the ROW.

    This is the common way of allocating..

    Just my opinion..





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  • cagedcactus
    06-21 03:20 PM
    I took upon a couple of new employess in 2004 October and trained them for couple of months as per my job requirement. The company later laid off few guys and substituted two approved labors with these two guys. They got their greencards last year, while I am stuck with a F***ing 2003 PD.
    I cant even say how mad I was over getting screwed like this, but hey, if there is any good left, maybe I will have my day too........

    I agree with your post here.....

    Many of us are not aware of the extend of labor subtituion and the impact that it has on the visa numbers .

    I personally know a case where 1-140 was filed in 2005, for a Labor which was approved as early as 2000.

    The person was able to get his green card in 6 months time (he has been in US only for 1 year, came to work with the Indian company and joined this new firm just to get his substitute LC) and ate away 2 visa numbers which a genuine GC applicant should have got.

    When there are applicants who are waiting for more than 5-7 years to get their green card and in some cases just to get through the labor certification process , isnt this grossly unfair?

    Advocates support LC substituion as it is just one more avenue for them to make more money. Unscrupulous employers support the LC substituion since it helps them to make money ( as I understand many of these companies sell LC) . Also same LC is used multiple times.

    The losers are genuine GC applicants who are ethical and companies which are ethical.

    As a H4 visa holder my life in this country has been so very limited that even opening a bank account or getting a driving licence is tedious as most people have no clue about H4 Visa-its limitations including absence of SSN and donot acknowledge ITIN number for many of the above purposes.

    We who are hindered by retrogression and the slow processing (actually no processing at all ) happening in the backlog centers should welcome this new legislation for Banning LC substituion.





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  • soljabhai
    12-14 05:34 PM
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  • ita
    04-20 07:44 PM
    You missing one thing in your stats .Year.You were looking at post independence records?No don't' answer me get yourself the answer.You go check your stats.I shared this link before ,which you so mightily pushed aside.
    http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:prdjEwwFXSUJ:www.francoisgautier.co m/Written%2520Material/Christian%2520India.doc+is+india+heading+towards+c hristianity&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
    That's why I say read everything I write then you wouldn't be here with your rant about hate crap.

    Also no I never went through the numbers from VHP/RSS.As some one from Hyderabad I'm very well aware about how good the official stats are.I'm aware of the tricks wherein a minority family of 15 says they are just 4 .

    A quick fact check : Muslims are about 13.5% and christians are about 2% of india's population. So instead of 30% of india belonging to these two groups per your numbers, it is actually closer to 15%.


    I must say you defined yourself right.Educated Illiterate.I'll give that one to you.

    A lie told 100 times can be made to look like truth.You can throw this crap at any anyone trying to reason out sense into your types.
    Empty stomachs were refused food post tsunami until they agreed to take up certain religion by the so called preachers of religion. Post Tsunami many villages (entire villages) were abused and converted.(People who lost almost everything in the calamity suddenly have all the time in the world to think about religious freedom and conversion volunraity right?)
    Just know this you are fooling no one with words like secularism,religious freedom which you use when it suits you.
    Quite a religious freedom .

    You have something sensible to say start saying with facts.Not with that tried out 'spreading fear and hatred' crap.


    It is religious freedom, not religious conversion. And thanks for enlightening us about the global plan to decimate indians by racking up numbers on their side. Are all of the indians coming to US have a similar plan because I am not aware of it.
    Spreading fear and hatred using lies and stoking communal feeling to get votes is nothing new. Seeing educated people do it with such fervour is new.


    Shows your desperation.Please don't turn this into personal attack or religious attack.Talk sensible stuff or resign.I won't take your personal digs.


    Are all of the indians coming to US have a similar plan because I am not aware of it.

    When India shines with the efforts of sensible people you shine too(only to come to US and talk about 'fear and hatred crap')
    If India sinks because of your illiterate tactics, know this, you may be fine but there will scores of people from all religions in not so good situation as the selfish breed like you would be in.

    A quick fact check : Muslims are about 13.5% and christians are about 2% of india's population. So instead of 30% of india belonging to these two groups per your numbers, it is actually closer to 15%.Right wing extremists group use these exagerrated numbers to drive more gullible people into their communal parties. But you get those numbers from VHP/RSS. Check it tomorrow and it could be close to 40% !

    It is religious freedom, not religious conversion. And thanks for enlightening us about the global plan to decimate indians by racking up numbers on their side. Are all of the indians coming to US have a similar plan because I am not aware of it.

    Spreading fear and hatred using lies and stoking communal feeling to get votes is nothing new. Seeing educated people do it with such fervour is new.





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  • unitednations
    02-14 12:02 AM
    Another thing that is hard to understand is that if EB3 ROW is getting all the unused visas, how did EB2 move forward two years in 2006? It was moving 6 months at a time till May-06. Did USCIS change the way they interpret the law in May-06? That would be weird, they should have done it when they declared in Nov-05 bulletin that AC21 provisions are not expected to apply.

    It is possible that USCIS is allocating unused EB2 visas to EB2 India and China after all, and it is not moving forward only because of backlogged EB2 Labors getting approved. We will know for sure in a few months. There are still several 2001 EB2 Non-RIR cases in the backlog as per
    http://www..com/usa-immigration-trackers/dallas-backlog-tracker/

    One of the other lawyers had reported I think it was in July 2006 that Chinese as a whole were on pace to get approved just less then 7% of the total quota. That is the only statistic available. EB3 row had significant movement in the last quarter because that is when the unused visas from eb1 and eb2 got released to eb3.

    India went all the way back to 1998 because they were only eligible to get 250 greencards per month. There are substitute labors from that far back which people were using. I wasn't surpirsed when it went that far back becuase I knew a number of people who got these labors.

    If the overflow from eb1 or eb2 were going to eb2 india/china then eb3 row would never have moved past 2001. A lot of the 245i candidates are from ROW. (russian, pakistan, brazil, south korean, etc.).



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  • Lasantha
    12-14 05:29 PM
    Yes, now that does look fair to me.

    Even if we raise the limit to XYZ from 140000, if we still continue with 7% quota then applicants from India/China/Philippines/Mexico would still be retrogressed. It is not correct.
    Let everybody have a go at GC and let it be FIFO, irrespective of the nationality. This is EB and why use diversity if we do not use at the initial stages of bringing people from other countries on H1/J1/L1. These are the people who apply for GC.
    1) Increase GC numbers.
    2) remove per country cap
    3) Remove dependents from GC numbers.

    All above should go in simultaneously for a 'FAIR', 'NON_DISCRIMINATIVE' solution.





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  • hopefulgc
    12-13 04:16 PM
    whenever a good idea is raised .. we all obey hte dynamics of group behavior and divide ourselves into two parts

    FOR and AGAINST the idea..

    soon discussion ensues.. and since pessimism is more scary than optimism... and we have other "less viable" alternatives.. the good idea is soon forgotten.

    Can we do something different this time and give this great idea the attention it deserves?



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  • eb3retro
    07-30 04:40 PM
    Lot of Amway guys are hiding among us.

    There are lot of Amway guys on this thread making fun of Amway because they fear being ridiculed. But in their real lives they are actually doing Amway business and catching other desis in Walmarts.

    This explains why I got so many reds and bad comments after starting this thread.

    here you go..this dude is back ranting again..





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  • hopefulgc
    02-14 03:12 PM
    I don;t have the necessary permissions to modify the poll. I have made a note of this so that moderators can ad it in.

    Sorry.. i am just going through very busy days at work.
    I am trying .. please don't hate me :)


    hopefulgc - also make the commitments clear! Its not just sufficient to support ( as in moral support) the cause. Its important to participate in it.

    I think someone should change the Poll question to -

    Q) Do you commit to participate in a class action lawsuit against USCIS?

    1) Yes. I am willing to commit $500
    2) Yes. I'm willing to be a plaintiff ( full name and full contact info required)
    3) Yes. I'm willing to commit $500 and become a plaintiff as well
    4) No. I don't think it will work

    It will make it clear to everyone voting 'Yes' what's expected of them.



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  • ujjwal_p
    05-11 07:25 PM
    I never stated that I support LTTE.

    I understand, how intolerant you are. What is wrong in protesting or showing resentment?

    It's not about showing resentment. Being able to protest is a fundamental right in a democracy, unlike a dictatorship which essentially the LTTE is. We do that everyday in India, America and other democratic setups. It's quite clear that you don't understand the basic concept of a pluralistic democracy that India and America stand for. To see what's wrong with what you said, let me quote you back :

    As a Tamil, I too carry the Indian passport with shame and can't wait to see the day when I become a US citizen.


    Now if you don't see anything wrong with that, fair enough. But I do. I don't see resentment there. I see treason. In fact, along with you I'll also probably party when you become a USC. That day will be as happy a time for Indians to not have you around as I'm sure it'll be for you.





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  • alisa
    02-14 07:03 PM
    If you google retrogression, IV doesn't show up until page 2.
    Is there anyway we can change this? So that IV is the first link that shows up? Anyway know about this.



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  • gc_on_demand
    09-24 03:42 PM
    What if EB2 ROW person has labor approved but I 140 pending . because of C person can apply for 485 but will not consume visas.

    So if DOS and USCIS decides and if USCIS loose focus from approving Eb2 ROW and EB1 case for a while and technically create no demand for them leaving more spill to Eb2 india and china that can make Eb2 india C.

    Don't forget that if date is current and still USCIS keep your AOS pending some how you cannot do anything..





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  • go_guy123
    05-10 01:04 AM
    You are right on the mark. Need to be physically present 2 years of the next 5 years for your immigration status to be alive in Canada,

    Yes true you might as well stay for 3 years and be eligible for citizenship.



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  • tikka
    07-04 09:33 AM
    This is a HUGE issue if it is true. Can we verify it preferably with a URL?

    This is what I meant when I said that we should identify all the issues and worry about english later. BTW, this is what is taught in a writing course: outline first, english later.

    I have scanned most of the letters posted in thread. I will carefully scan them again and add their issues to my skelton.

    Most of the letters are missing or not stressing some HUGE points like above. These HUGE points are bold faced in the articles I post. Editorials have a lot of these so called punch lines.


    i picked this up from one of the threads.. not sure if it was the breaking news or media thread .. we need member info and url if possible...





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  • same_old_guy
    09-23 08:19 PM
    Well, here�s some more stat : Base on GC allocation of FY 2008 (http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/FY08-AR-TableV(Part2).pdf ),

    EB1 India got 5,327 visas , EB2 India got 14,818 and EB3 India got 3,576 even though the quota was 2,803 for each preference.

    As an example, I-485 pending for EB2 and EB3 India before 2006 are 17,835 and 46,334 respectively. Everything else being equal, you can take a guess how long it would take based how old the report was. Even if the report is from yesterday to be pessimistic and there are nuances, it gives some approximation unless the interpretation is totally wrong.



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  • ash27
    05-29 12:35 AM
    I've met couple of guys who came on L1 and have filed GC in EB1. they are simply project managers and exploited this loop hole... I'd raised this issue earlier but was scoffed stating that I would have done the same if I would have been at their place...Felt like slapping the guy who made this stupid comment.

    Given that we have played by the rules, lets prevent any kind of fraud to make sure that there is FIFO.....





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  • akred
    02-15 11:11 PM
    oguinan,

    Paragraph 1 of Article 1 establishes the definition of racial discrimination for the purpose of the document. Paragraphs 2 and 3 limit the operation of the convention. As to why paragraphs 2 & 3 were included, perhaps they were required to get countries to sign on to the convention.

    Here's a better link. Read under Modern Racial Exclusion, excerpts of which I have posted below.

    http://academic.udayton.edu/race/02rights/immigr09.htm

    ...similarly situated persons (e.g., siblings and children of U.S. citizens) may face radically different waits for immigration depending on their country of origin, with accompanying racial impacts.

    The law created a new immigrant visa program that effectively represents affirmative action for white immigrants, a group that benefitted from preferential treatment under the national origins quota system until 1965. Congress, in an ironic twist of political jargon, established the "diversity" visa program, which though facially neutral prefers immigrants from nations populated primarily by white people.

    The link to the CERD report is here. The convention does not address the country limit directly as the convention expressly does not apply in that area, but it does show that there is awareness about the discrimination faced by immigrants. http://www.unhchr.ch/tbs/doc.nsf/(Symbol)/6d8aee7e356e6498c1256d4e00557f3b?Opendocument

    You can see that the UN panel is aware of the fact that racial discrimination manifests itself in disproportional representation (note the reference to the composition of the Supreme Court). It can be argued that the 7% country limit provides a pretext to discriminate against India/China/Mexico on the basis of ethnic or racial origin, and as such would run afoul of the convention.





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  • mirage
    07-04 08:21 AM
    One thing which is missing in the News article about this fiasco is they are sounding like some precedural hitch happened they are not sounding scandal, conspiratory, I mean their title should be like 'DOS plays joke on Legals', 'DOS arbitrary decisions hurt legals' types......





    bfadlia
    02-19 02:35 PM
    I guess, you still have to answer the question: "How keeping people who are in US, having kids and families, on EAD/AP for years serves the purpose of diversity?"

    Ow, I can convince a lot of people, by saying that US government wasted thousands of visas for countries without any country caps. Therefore "diversity" is a lousy and crappy excuse, the real problem is a complete mess, obsolete laws, corruption, and laziness of USCIS.

    bestia, USCIS are allowed to use the unused visas from one category in another even if they exceed the quota, they just choose to be inefficient and not do that. If there are excess ROW visas unused, we all strongly support that they be used for other groups.. but decreasing the wait of one group at the expense of increasing the wait of another.. u'll have to lose some people with that direction





    sweet_jungle
    07-04 12:28 AM
    do we just need to access it?

    so much!!



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